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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 6, 2013 12:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Box of Rain

I just checked how many times Box of Rain was played, and I'm curious. I assume they stopped playing it cuz Phil stopped singing, but does anyone know why they broke it out only once in '70 and then not again until '72? Or is Deadlists just wrong?

Btw, what was the last show Phil sang on prior to being brought back by popular demand?

Here's what I get: the first Box of Rain was 9/17/70.

http://archive.org/details/gd70-09-17.aud.warner.16090.sbeok.shnf

Then, it wasn't played again until '72 (18 times) and '73 (28 times). I was prompted to check that cuz I was listening to this show, which is really beautiful, and I like this Box of Rain a lot. (It's sort of in the category of "only play around Deadheads or the Dead-tolerant," since Phil's singing is Phil's singing. But I like it. And Donna is perfect.)

Also there's a great HCS, beautiful Row Jimmy, very hot GSET, and a great Truckin > Nobody's Fault > TOO > Eyes ... somewhere in there, I think during GSET or HCS, I swear there's a StSt tease. Can't remember where.

http://archive.org/details/gd1973-05-20.sbd.miller.86905.sbeok.flac16

Anyway, way back when, I thought it was really rare and I was super lucky to get to see Box of Rain -- but, uh, apparently it was done 113 times between '86 and '95. So I guess it was kind of hard to miss. It was actually done more times in the '80s/90s than 70s. It was also the last song ever played as a band ...

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Poster: BVD Date: May 6, 2013 7:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Box of Rain

The last time Mr. Lesh and the rest of the band performed this wonderful tune should have been the final take for A.B.

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Poster: elbow1126 Date: May 6, 2013 3:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Box of Rain

Sheer speculation on my part, but that 9-17 show was right around the time they were recording American Beauty so they were trying it out live that night. It was also an acoustic set and perhaps they thought the song worked best that way. A bunch of the AB songs were initially showing up in acoustic sets in '70. They only did 3 or 4 more acoustic sets after 9-17 and for whatever reason did not include Box of Rain. Maybe they didn't like they way it sounded on 9-17, who knows? Regardless of why it wasn't in those other acoustic sets, my guess is they really thought it was an acoustic song and did not bother working it up as an electric one until 1972.

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 6, 2013 5:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Box of Rain

Yeah, that makes sense. And apparently they were recording the album in Aug-Sept '70, so they'd been playing it a lot, just not in shows ... although if Wikipedia is to be believed, they'd still need to have worked out a different version to perform.

Wikipedia says (unsourced claim) that on the AB version, "Dave Torbert played bass, while Lesh played acoustic guitar. David Nelson (of New Riders of the Purple Sage) plays the lead guitar with a Fender Telecaster equipped with a Parsons/White B-Bender, while Jerry Garcia plays the piano."

Seriously? I didn't think Phil played guitar at all. And that suggests that Jerry played piano, not guitar at ALL on the album version of Box of Rain ... is that true?

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: May 7, 2013 10:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Box of Rain

Phil plays acoustic on the rehearsal of Unbroken Chain.

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Poster: William Tell Date: May 9, 2013 8:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Box of Rain...a VERY good question

It does seem that wiki accounts, and a few others, support the long held view that DT played bass, DN played lead, but the "Phil on acoustic, Jerry on piano" was also mentioned...hadn't heard that biz before.

I always wondered, though, what was the motivation for those sorts of "sit ins"...clearly they were fully capable of tracking anyone (the "best") in that they wanted, if nothing else, as evidenced by Jerry doing exactly that, sans drums, on his solo album some months down the road. So what was the motivation?

You add Grisman cause he's the only one playing the mandolin, but why the other shifts?

Always wondered if it was just for the Hell of it, given the communal "jamming" culture at Wally H studios at the time...or, maybe I am wrong, and there WERE tracking limitations...?

Anybody?

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Poster: Reade Date: May 7, 2013 9:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Box of Rain

"Btw, what was the last show Phil sang on prior to being brought back by popular demand?"

The last Box of Rain pre-hiatus was performed at Watkins Glen in the summer of '73.

This post was modified by Reade on 2013-05-07 16:12:15

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Poster: AltheaRose Date: May 7, 2013 9:39am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Box of Rain

I meant the last show Phil sang on in general (e.g. not Box of Rain per se, but singing at all) ...

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Poster: ghostofpig Date: May 6, 2013 7:18am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Box of Rain

I was at that run and was delighted when they tried it out. But it seems a little tentative, and they quit acoustic sets a few days later with a massive setlist including several one offs. I think they were trying to vary things and try things throughout the run.